scottcrib says: Darn tootin' right!

HfxKen says: mrob2199: are you planning on pegging out then adjusting strategy based on lines lead?

Eolus619 says: Morning rob…what is your reply to a trey lead ?

HfxKen says: * pones lead *

mrob2199 says: My reply to a 3 is going to be a 7- if the pone takes the 15 we can take the 3 card run with the 6?and still have the 45 for a run continuation or 2 goes-Ken with the 4567 hold I’m going to be very aggresssive in my goal to peg out

Eolus619 says: 👍Rob

Tall Troy says: "Looked like a skunk....." and I lose 121-120. I am certainly doing something wrong.

Eolus619 says: congrats on your win..i must say i am a bit befuddled by the daily scrimmage algorithm ..i won 121-117..out pegged the app 36-17 and had a hand grade of 99.. total points earned 1490..the current leader has a score of 121-80.. i did not look at the details 🤔..but having looked at previous high scores it seems the app rewards low discard grades verse those in the 90s .. not sure

tevdodd says: Tall Troy, I've been on the wrong end of the shortlist of people I follow twice in last 4-5 days, you don't have to be doing anything wrong to simply not have the cards fall in your favor. I think it's important to recognize things you can learn from however. I usually try to select my top friend for the day and see where the 1st variation in play was. After that, the entire game is different for everyone, even if the cards are the same.

tevdodd says: Eolus ... Unless if you recognize the name from here, or an IRL acquaintance, assume the top scores are BS. Essentially played with prior knowledge of every cut, opponent discard, and play. I know today I said it looked like a skunk, I was a 100 grade and walked back thru every step of my pegging. I didn't see anywhere even knowing the cards in the pegging that the extra peg could've been found (Without a

tevdodd says: Without a >100 discard

tevdodd says: I now see that SS found that peg, now to do the research :)

dph says: tevdodd's advice is the same that I have given -- only look at the scores of people that you know (at least by reputation). At the risk of angering the cribbage gods, my outcome was pretty good today (+15, 100%, 38-14 on pegging).

fentesk says: For comparing scores, the only that could matter are "First Attempts", and even those are questionable. The top score that pops up on the summary page after a game is the overall top score after any number of plays. While most of us that post about Scrimmage here are focused on first play, I would guess the whole concept was developed as a "beat the puzzle" thing with the expectation of playing multiple times to optimize your score once you know the cards. Many hands must be purposely selected for big swings, (un)favorable cuts, and pegging traps. I would strongly suggest not going into the game expecting "correct" play to be rewarded; there are absolutely times (probably daily) where the selection is chosen specifically to hammer the optimal play and you have to accept that or drive yourself crazy continuing to play expecting a "fair" result.

fentesk says: I tend to rant a bit about Scrimmage, so today I feel I should note that I learned something on Hand 4. Mu gut and in-game math continues to tell me the flush is the second best option, but running the numbers for hand/crib the flush is correct. Knowing this I'm still not "seeing it", and probably wouldn't have without Scrimmage putting it in front of me.

Eolus619 says: James500. congrats on your win..i must say i am a bit befuddled by the daily scrimmage algorithm ..i won 121-117..out pegged the app 36-17 and had a hand grade of 99.. total points earned 1490..the current leader has a score of 121-80..SP 2615… i did not look at that player’s details 🤔..but having looked at previous high scores it seems the app rewards low discard grades verse those in the 90s .. not sure

james500 says: Hi Bruce. I suspect skulduggery, but I don't know for certain. For what it's worth, my discards were: 3-8, 5-J, 8-Q, 2-10d, 3-Qd, 5-Q, 7-Q and J-K. All rated at 100 by the app. You can, if you play with the settings, create a bespoke leaderboard of players rather than look at the main one. I use one of players from this site whose Cribbage Pro names I know, since they will all have played honestly. It's currently me and five others.

Eolus619 says: thx James....we differed only on hand #4..I did not keep the flush..tossed 2-6..app rated that 93

guideontheside says: My thoughts exactly!

jephph says: Very neat. How did you do the calculation?

Hawthorn says: Strange that Hal has chosen a Defence strategy but appears to be aiming to peg out

fentesk says: Hi jephph, these results are kindly run daily by someone using the Halscrib program (which I sadly do not have access to and it's reported the source code was lost). This program was pointed to by the cribbage great Ras as the best computer opponent he'd ever found.

fentesk says: Hawthorn, I also wondered about that. This is the second time in about a week where in an endgame situation the program gave an answer that it was potentially the only one to vote for. I wish we could do trials with the program to see how accurate the pegging algorithm is (and I'll stress I'm not nearly good enough to judge it). I would say that if the algorithm is directionally correct, that would imply there is a massive amount of room for endgame pegging improvement still possible in the game as the true experts aren't landing on the paths the program finds (but this exact argument can easily be used to disagree with the premise of the program's prowess in the first place). We'd probably need a dozen people to play out 100 hands each with different holds to come close to determining an answer.

fentesk says: It's such a small sample size to not really matter, but in case others were motivated to log some attempts, I played it out 10 times tossing the 4-7 per Halscrib. I successfully pegged out 5/10, and won another 2 by opponent falling short; so won 7/10.

MiketheExpert says: If pone leads with an X, my first card played is the 7. I want to keep my 5 for the second round if possible, in case pone has kept a hand in the shape of 5-X-X-X. I will score 31-2 with my magic-11 of (4-7), but then I will 15 or pair the next lead of an X or 5. This will guarantee my 5 pegging points.