Today's results so far
34% 34% | |||||
28% 28% | |||||
19% 19% | |||||
7% 7% | |||||
4% 4% | |||||
2% 2% | |||||
1% 1% | |||||
0% 0% | |||||
0% 0% | |||||
| Total votes: 253 | |||||
| Jazzselke | 4 throws within .3 |
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Joined: May 2021 (481 votes) Friday 4:27 AM
I trust Dan's math, but don't see this one as that close. Guessing Eolus will point us to the big hand rule and discards where it's ok to sacrifice 2 pts making this simply a good teaching hand.
Cribbage Pro Daily Scrimmage Score: 121 to 117 Differential Discards 1. T-Q 0-0* 4. 9-T 45*-39 7. 2-J 100-76* 8. A-T 114*-94 7 and 8 were more about justifying my discard Hand 7 than they were about winning the game or getting the skunk at that point. Unfortunately, even if I hit the cut Hand 7 with the same peg I end up in the dead hole and the opp still escapes the skunk, so I guess I unjustified the discard. Eolus619 says: morning tevdodd…your discard is fine by me ..we play a game of choices …by way of review …Ras’s big hand rule involves two fives ….his axiom says a dealer can toss BOTH , while sacrificing up to four points , if the remaining four cards can cut to 12 points …his sacrifice rule for two points says the following cards are approved when doing that……https://vashoncribbage.weebly.com/uploads/5/6/7/4/56741021/chart_11.pdf
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Joined: April 2008 (7102 votes) Friday 4:46 AM
I would slow play this discard. Could be either an on or off play depending on lead. The math sells itself. dec |
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Joined: June 2013 (4522 votes) Friday 5:16 AM
My maths says to go with 4+2.
Cribbage Pro Scrimmage 26th Dec 2025 🏆Score: 121 to 104 🌋SP: 1735 📅Streak: 193 https://www.cribbagepro.net/scrimmage/713/3333658/1 1. Ad-7 2. 5-5 3. 4-K 4. 5-10 5. 4-10h 6. 2-3 7. 8-J 8. A-10 9. A-Q * I knew 10-5 from hand 4 was incorrect, but I fancied trying it. (2-4-5-6-9-10) * A-Q from hand 9 was only because my position. Maybe 3-8 somewhere else. Eolus619 says: James500.. here you go ..in order most to least top 20 dealer discards 7/8..2/3..6/9..6/7..A/2..A/3..6/8..8/9..7/9..Q/K J/Q..A/4..5/K..2/4..3/4..5/J..8/8..10/J..2/2..J/K Eolus619 says: and Ras’s discard chart involving sacrificing two points haa 5/J on it … https://vashoncribbage.weebly.com/uploads/5/6/7/4/56741021/chart_11.pdf Eolus619 says: and one other Ras axiom..does it or does it not apply?
Play the game without a favorable starter card. You're likely to miss more cuts than you receive and don't believe you can improve your cutting ability. Most strong tournament players plan their hand, strategy, etc. without the benefit of the starter card. If the starter card is favorable, that is an unplanned bonus. james500 says: Hi Bruce, thanks for the information. |
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Joined: March 2008 (6348 votes) Friday 5:18 AM
I was looking for a 6 but the 3 works for me. Gotta keep the 445 together just in case.
Happy Boxing Day. |
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Joined: February 2009 (1744 votes) Friday 6:34 AM
Like starting with 6 points this way with these touching face cards. If the face cards were 10-K, 10-Q, J-K, or Q-K, I would have thrown the 5 with the higher producing face in the crib (ex, 5-K if holding 10-K, 5-J if holding J-K). |
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Joined: June 2020 (1937 votes) Friday 6:42 AM
Thanks Dan for your befuddling dealer discard puzzle involving multiple Ras’s axioms and a decision if this is the 95% or 5% of the time they do or do not apply …I see the value of keeping the 4-4-5 together ..respect that choice…5/J is on Ras’s approved list of dealer discards when sacrificing two points is involved. ..4/4 is in group #2 of Ras’s highest average dealer discards ..
https://www.cribbage.org/NewSite/tips/rasmussen7.asp https://vashoncribbage.weebly.com/uploads/5/6/7/4/56741021/chart_11.pdf Eolus619 says: and a btw for the J/Q discard camp..the first 35 ( of a total of 46) lowest average balk discards on Ras’s list involve either a J-Q-K
so there is potential synergy there in the crib
https://www.cribbage.org/NewSite/tips/rasmussen7.asp
Eolus619 says: whoops meant to say 26 of the lowest 35 involve J-Q-K Eolus619 says: and one other Ras axiom..does it or does it not apply? Play the game without a favorable starter card. You're likely to miss more cuts than you receive and don't believe you can improve your cutting ability. Most strong tournament players plan their hand, strategy, etc. without the benefit of the starter card. If the starter card is favorable, that is an unplanned bonus. |
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Joined: March 2016 (2387 votes) Friday 6:58 AM
Not keen on pairs to my crib. Like this hand for pegging and potential for runs. |
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Joined: August 2023 (317 votes) Friday 7:07 AM
Happy with keeping 445 together (with a close 7) and putting touches in crib |
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Joined: March 2009 (2989 votes) Friday 7:11 AM
My main interest was seeing if it was worthwhile to give up 2 combined points to hold the open-ended double run. In most positions on the board I think I would not, and hold either 57JQ or 447Q. But as it is the first hand of the game, I might make that sacrifice with the JQ toss, with the propensity of the pone to often throw at least one face-card, especially the K. Eolus619 says: Thanks for the puzzle..and a btw .. and a btw for the J/Q discard camp..26 of the first 35 ( of a total of 46) lowest average balk discards on Ras’s list involve either a J-Q-K so there is potential synergy there in the crib https://www.cribbage.org/NewSite/tips/rasmussen7.asp Sgt Pegger says: I would employ the same strategy here Dan. I like the way you explained it. Rosemarie44 says: I failed to mention this fact that pone most likely would toss a King to my crib. |
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Joined: December 2023 (444 votes) Friday 7:29 AM
I'll keep the guaranteed 6, with 2 to the crib, and hope for a little help. Didn't get it.
Cribbage Pro Scrimmage 26th Dec 2025 🏆Score: 121 to 101 🌋SP: 1790 📅Streak: 25 https://www.cribbagepro.net/scrimmage/713/8363472/1 |
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Joined: February 2008 (5877 votes) Friday 7:47 AM
At 0*-0 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/loss %s are: _______________Pone's Defense___Hand_Pegs____Crib_Total____W9 %____W10 % 4-4-5-7____7.43+(-1.98)+4.58=10.03____37.2____49.3 5-7-J-Q____6.76+(-2.24)+5.46= 9.98____37.0____49.7 4-4-7-Q____5.39+(-2.20)+6.73= 9.92____35.2____49.2 4-4-7-J____5.63+(-2.22)+6.39= 9.80____35.8____49.8 Defense_______L9 %____L10 % 4-4-5-7________26.9____25.0 5-7-J-Q________26.7____24.7 4-4-7-Q________25.2____24.7 4-4-7-J________25.1____24.3 4-4-5-7 is best for expected averages by 0.05pt. over 5-7-J-Q. However, 5-7-J-Q is very slightly best for Win %s and very slightly lower for Loss %s. So, I'll select the 4-4 to discard. After the 3 cut I'll play Defense to the lead. |
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Joined: March 2020 (1395 votes) Friday 7:58 AM
I figure the opp will toss away junky face cards on the first hand, and I'd rather peg with the littler cards.
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Joined: December 2025 (23 votes) Friday 8:57 AM
Chose to send JQ to the crib, possible K,Q, 10 pone discard. Keeping 4457 opens doors for help from all cards other than A. |
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Joined: August 2025 (132 votes) Friday 9:12 AM
J-Q holds an opportunity for a run of face cards on the play. Even though the double run (3 on the cut) was missed there’s a chance for it to happen in the crib with 3-4-4. 4-4-5-7 was a close second.
Cribbage Pro Scrimmage 26th Dec 2025 🏆Score: 121 to 94 🌋SP: 1985 📅Streak: 375 https://www.cribbagepro.net/scrimmage/713/7389935/1 |
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Joined: July 2017 (853 votes) Friday 10:09 AM
I agree with the Jazzman above. I don't like taking points away from my hand to "roll the dice" for a possibly better outcome but if I was going to try it, then this is the time and place to do it. |
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Joined: April 2021 (1334 votes) Friday 11:04 AM
I may do some different things on different days with this hand. I liked the potential growth of (J Q) in the crib and the cuts for significant improvement in the hand today. 2/2 over the last 2 days for our cut. MiketheExpert says: My other choice would be tossing the pair of 4's, this seems almost equally good to me. |