Today's results so far

*** This hand was suggested by Inushtuk1
71*-73  ?
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Total votes: 282
Inushtuk1Is 2-3-4-8 a enough of a better pegger offensively, as opposed to (8-9) to make up for the lower Crib average of (9-10)
tevdodd

Joined: May 2021 (468 votes)

Saturday 4:21 AM
Inushtuk1 asks the right question. I look forward to seeing the answers. I can be convinced on this one.

Cribbage Pro Daily Scrimmage
Score: 121 to 102
Differential discards
2. Ts-Q 11*-17
4. A-4s 45*-41
7. 6-J 101-82*

There's a lesson in pegging Hand 4.
TheGrumpyUncle

Joined: June 2025 (168 votes)

Saturday 4:31 AM
I went this way with this hand. Question: I' have been playing on Cribbage Pro and it seems to me that it gives very large hands a lot more often than I would expect. I don't have stats, but a gut feeling says it's just not random. Am I delusional?
domandcarol says: Seems that way tome too. I don’t have many chances with real cards to make a valid comparison, but see 16+ way more than expected not to mention occuringn2+ times in same game. (Thought I replied before guess not oops!
dec

Joined: April 2008 (7089 votes)

Saturday 5:27 AM
I went for the crib average potential here. Sounds to me its more of an entertaining program there then a more random program to make tougher decisions. dec
domandcarol

Joined: August 2023 (305 votes)

Saturday 5:56 AM
Thinking 89 is a stronger crib toss
Eolus619

Joined: June 2020 (1924 votes)

Saturday 6:10 AM
Hi Mike..Ras says 2/3 is on his “approved” list of discards when sacrificing 2 points in hand ..today I wanted to keep the lower cards for pegging..good puzzle
https://vashoncribbage.weebly.com/uploads/5/6/7/4/56741021/chart_11.pdf
Inushtuk1 says: Hi Bruce. I never even thought of the (2-3T. But 4-8-9-10 won't ever make it to 12 will it? therefore it does not fit the second question.
Djgoat

Joined: December 2023 (431 votes)

Saturday 6:20 AM
High run or low run? I liked the 2-3 to my crib. A 10 would have been perfect but I'll take this.
Cribbage Pro Scrimmage
13th Dec 2025
🏆Score: 121 to 110
🌋SP: 1565
📅Streak: 12
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Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (6334 votes)

Saturday 6:36 AM
Maybe I'll catch a stray 7 from the pone. Aggressive offense
Rosemarie44

Joined: March 2016 (2380 votes)

Saturday 6:36 AM
Seems to me that this would be the better hold. Preferred to toss 2-3 than 8-9 but chose potential of this hand.
Inushtuk1

Joined: July 2016 (1948 votes)

Saturday 6:47 AM
On Defense I would just retain 2-3-4-10. But wanted to know what you all would do in a definite offensive position. Looks like most wouldn't switch. Would have loved to have gotten Ras, and JQT's take on it. Rob may say I'm overthinking it.
PT47

Joined: December 2025 (10 votes)

Saturday 6:53 AM
It seemed a good idea to keep a three card run intact- the question was-which one? Chose the 2,3,4 and sent the 8,9 to the dugout hoping they might help later on. We pick up 2 points in the hand and 2 in the crib, but missed the double 3 card run. Such is the game.
scottcrib says: Welcome!
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4509 votes)

Saturday 7:22 AM
9-10 could immediately be helped in the crib by 5,6,8,9,10 and Jack, (21/46).

8-9 could immediately be helped in the crib by 6,7,8,9 and 10, (only 17/46).

On that basis, 10-9 > 8-9, but many on here have said that the data actually shows the reverse. I can only assume this is because of Pone's bias against discarding fives and Jacks, which leaves the 10-9 discard effectively just reliant upon meeting a 6,8,9 or 10, (13/46)?

The 8-3 eleven might be useful, or should I play it as 8-2 for a go, keeping the 3-4 together to trap a 5 card on the second play through?

Cribbage Pro Scrimmage
13th Dec 2025
🏆Score: 121 to 111
🌋SP: 1500
📅Streak: 180
https://www.cribbagepro.net/scrimmage/700/3333658/1

I didn't think there were any tough decisions today, but my choices in hands 3,4 and 5 were all graded as only 93, and 87 in hand 7!
Inushtuk1 says: Hi James. Hope all is well over there. That's a very good question about using the 11, or saving the 3-4 to trap a 5 on the second play series. I never actually thought about that. Perhaps if switching to Defense after the cut we should just close the count at (31-2). But on Offense after the cut, saving the 3-4 is correct. What does everyone else think?
BennieO

Joined: August 2025 (119 votes)

Saturday 7:57 AM
I was between 8-9 and 2-3 discards. Kept 2-3 in hand for more pegging pressure. Be aggressive and take lots of points on the play! 8-9 in crib does well to get points on cards 6 through 10.

Cribbage Pro Scrimmage
13th Dec 2025
🏆Score: 121 to 99
🌋SP: 1840
📅Streak: 362
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Assman

Joined: May 2024 (601 votes)

Saturday 8:25 AM
I’m keeping the magic 11.
Sgt Pegger

Joined: July 2017 (840 votes)

Saturday 8:54 AM
I prefer the pegging maneuverability with this hold over the other 2 choices. I also don't outright hate the 9,10 toss to my crib.
MiketheExpert

Joined: April 2021 (1321 votes)

Saturday 10:14 AM
I'll be the first guy to break the ice with 2-3 discard. Starting with 2 less hand points, but perhaps the 2nd best crib discard will make up for it today, especially after the cut. After the nice cut, I'll shade down to optimal strategy on the pegging. Will pair or 15 a 9 or 6 lead, but I won't pair an 8 (playing the 10 instead).
MiketheExpert says: If not the 2-3, I would throw 8-9, which HAL may determine to have the best value if offensive pegging is also taken into account.
scottcrib says: I'm with you today. Welcome back.
HalscribCLX

Joined: February 2008 (5862 votes)

Saturday 11:03 AM
At 71*-73 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/loss %s are:

_______________Our
Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W3 %____W4 %
2-3-4-10___7.99+3.39+4.64=16.01____11.9____46.6
2-3-4-8____8.28+3.59+4.01=15.88____10.6____45.0
2-3-4-9____8.11+3.48+3.64=15.23_____9.7____43.2
4-8-9-10___5.24+2.85+6.75=14.84_____9.2____43.4

Offense______L3 %____L4 %
2-3-4-10______7.8_____30.7
2-3-4-8_______8.2_____32.6
2-3-4-9_______8.3_____34.0
4-8-9-10______6.7_____31.9

2-3-4-10 is best for expected averages by 0.13pt. and is slightly best for Win %s. It is fractionally lowest for Loss %s over 4-8-9-10. So, I'll select the 8-9 to discard.

After the 9 cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
Inushtuk1 says: Nice to know that the better dynamic Crib average for (8-9), more than offsets the slightly higher average hand, and slightly better offensive pegging of 2-3-4-8. I already knew that was the case on Defense. Thanks HalsCribCLX, and Richard.
Synapsid

Joined: June 2025 (19 votes)

Saturday 1:23 PM
Synapsid says: Accidentally posted before typing anything! If I'm reading the responses from others correctly, it seems like average differences between 2 3 4 8 vs 2 3 4 10 are rather marginal. I like the flexibility of the pegging options, don't hideously mind the lower crib potential of 9 10 since I don't think it's crippling and I'm thinking that it is more important given our respective positions in the game to control the four cards in the hand I KNOW I can count on than bet on the crib where I can only control two cards. 2 3 4 8 improves to minimum 7 points on any cut and improves to more than that if we extend or double the run. Add the magic 11 in 2 3 4 8 and this seems more than playable to our advantage over pone. I definitely see the wisdom of the defensive 2 3 4 10 and 8 9 to crib option though as well.
Assman

Joined: May 2024 (601 votes)

Saturday 8:37 PM
Well said!