June 11, 2019

*** This hand was suggested by james500
71*-84  ?
42%
42%
31%
31%
26%
26%
Total votes: 201
dec

Joined: April 2008 (6866 votes)

Tuesday 3:28 AM
Three distinct choices. With this kind of lead I do not opponent will willingly load up my crib. I have a potential of still hitting a large hand here and right or wrong I am keeping the nine here so my score combined will be good enough to hit the mid eightys and be able to play some defense on certain kind of hands opponent has. Almost kept the double. dec
mrob2199

Joined: February 2009 (1705 votes)

Tuesday 4:04 AM
Nice puzzle today James-with those hold a 2,5,6,7,8 greatly improve our hand,and with the discard of j-5 a picture cut could yield an 8 or 9 point crib-I also like the 2-6-7-7 as a defensive pegging hand in this spot-we could be able to trap a 5 from a weak opponent
Guest says: Went your way, for the same reasons. Waiting to see how the jazzman and editor decided today. S:)
mrob2199 says: Who cares what those jokers do!!! We set the trends S!!!!!! Loll
Guest says: welllll....they are very important to me, and wonderful mentors, too S:)
Rosemarie44

Joined: March 2016 (2249 votes)

Tuesday 4:20 AM
I didn't even consider 5-J in the crib - I missed that option. I chose the double run that increases with every cut today. Three different choices from commentators this morning!
Rosemarie44 says: Really good hand, James. Statistics seem to be very close by my calculations (without pegging points added). Pegging points are "above my pay grade."
zeke76

Joined: August 2018 (1531 votes)

Tuesday 4:21 AM
I flushed, but this puzzle is above my pay grade.
Guest says: Ok sarge ,
zeke76 says: I’m more a lance corporal in cribbage.
james500

Joined: June 2013 (4354 votes)

Tuesday 5:42 AM
I like the flush option best, purely because it starts with the most pre-cut points in hand. Not sure whether it's the most valuable hand+crib combo though.
With a 6 and a second 7 out of circulation, there are two fewer helpful cards available for my crib.

We can all feel vindicated in our decision after that cut, no matter what we chose.
Ras2829 says: Hi james500: Another very fine puzzle!
Gougie00

Joined: March 2008 (6180 votes)

Tuesday 5:52 AM
I need to hit big on this hand. The flush is worth 9 already and only an ace doesnt help. Lets play some offense and make it a game.
dgergens

Joined: January 2018 (940 votes)

Tuesday 6:14 AM
Too many choices. I did forego the chance at a double double to put J,5 in my crib because I thought I had more chance with that to boost my score. The flush was my last choice today.
dgergens says: So just took a look at Liam Brown site. While discard preference sorts like this: 2-7, 5-J, 2-J, the hand + crib scores are listed ast 15.7, 15.7, 15.6 respectively. But the 5,J has a H+C Max potential of 40 (because of crib potential). So, I don't feel like a tard today. Looking forward to see the experts' comments.
dgergens says: That first 2-7 were the hearts of course.
wasa

Joined: November 2014 (3397 votes)

Tuesday 7:05 AM
Like others, all three choices are good. Toss up between tossing 5-J vs 2-7. In the end, I think that the flush will peg better, but very interested in what Halscrib has to say.
Jazzselke

Joined: March 2009 (2870 votes)

Tuesday 7:15 AM
The standard toss from this hand without the flush is 5J. The flush makes the decision a little more intriguing, but throwing the 5J only gives up a point, and is much better than 27. 5J a top 5 throw.
Guest says: You taught me to go with this,and avoid the doube run kypnosis from RAS' teachings. It's a habit now. I'd have gone the Marv method if it was their crib, though. S:)
Guest says: hypnosis!
Andy (muesli64)

Joined: August 2009 (2343 votes)

Tuesday 7:22 AM
Very close all three options. So we should consider which hand pegs best. Not sure that is the flush but anyway it's a pretty hand to keep.
glmccuskey

Joined: April 2011 (4488 votes)

Tuesday 7:42 AM
Agree with rob, Dan and S:) Nice cut. With all these points and my opponent at 84 it’s defense to the lead.
Guest says: ty G! S :)
cwed

Joined: October 2014 (1356 votes)

Tuesday 8:18 AM
I am willing to give up one point in combined hand + crib before the cut in order to drop 5-J in my crib. I got a perfect cut, so now will play defense to the lead in an attempt to keep pone short for the next deal.
Guest says: I keep hearing you say "always get 5's in your crib somehow!" S:)
King Richard

Joined: March 2009 (2825 votes)

Tuesday 8:41 AM
The King has played this one all 3 ways. Let’s try to make everything work. We are in good position, let’s gather some points, peg defensively and win this game!
bbaer1

Joined: February 2011 (3824 votes)

Tuesday 9:40 AM
Keeping the double run with a key connector toss in my crib.
LoneStarPegger

Joined: January 2008 (858 votes)

Tuesday 9:55 AM
Pegging defensively with non-dealer approaching next CPZ.
Coeurdelion

Joined: October 2007 (5766 votes)

Tuesday 3:03 PM
There seems to be three choices - the flush, the double-run and 2-6-7-7 (5-J):

5-6-7C-J: 9pts + 4pts (Schell: 3.81) = 13pts

5-6-7-7: 8pts + 3¾pts (Schell: 3.84) = 11¾pts

2-6-7-7: 6pts + 7pts (Schell: 7.00) = 13pts

Potential:

5-6-7C-J: Improves with 222, 3333, 4444, 555, 666, 77, 8888, 9999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 12/13/14/16pts with 4444, 555, 666, 77, 8888, JJJ = 19 cuts. Plus 9 clubs for 1pt extra for his nibs= 9/46 = 0.20pt.

5-6-7-7: Improves with AAAA, 222, 3333, 4444, 555, 666, 77, 8888, 9999 + 15xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 12/14/15/16pts with 222, 3333, 4444, 555, 666, 77, 8888 = 23 cuts.

2-6-7-7: Improves with AAAA, 222, 555, 666, 77, 8888, 9999 = 23 cuts = 23/46 = 50.0% up to 12/16pts with 222, 555, 666, 77, 8888 = 15 cuts.

Position:

We're 1pt ahead of positional hole and Pone is 2pts short of where they would like to be so I'll play Defense to maintain this.

Pegging:

Playing Defense I think the flush and 2-6-7-7 will peg well.

Summary:

5-6-7-7 has the most cuts for improvement and most cuts for a good/very good hand. However it has a starting value 1¼pts lower than 5-6-7C-J. The flush also has a large number of cuts for improvement and for 12-16pts. Also it has the benefit of the J which adds another 0.20pt plus it should peg well. So I'll throw the 2-7H.
HalscribCLX

Joined: February 2008 (5711 votes)

Tuesday 3:16 PM
At 71*-84 playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_________________Pone's
Defense___Hand___Pegs___Crib_Total____W3 %____W4 %
5-6-7C-J__12.17+(-2.15)+3.65=13.67____21.5____35.0
5-6-7-7___11.83+(-1.98)+3.68=13.53____20.2____34.2
2-6-7-7____8.65+(-2.33)+6.89=13.21____19.4____33.9

Defense_______L3 %____L4 %
5-6-7C-J______45.2____54.4
5-6-7-7_______43.7____55.3
2-6-7-7_______41.1____55.2

5-6-7C-J is best for expected averages by 0.14pt and is slightly best for Win %s. It's not quite lowest for Loss %s but even so I'll select 2-7H to discard.

After the 5 cut I'll play Defense to the lead.
Guest says: Well Greg you and me among other commenters picked this one. I guess extend the game four hands is the key here. dec
joekayak

Joined: May 2016 (1877 votes)

Tuesday 3:30 PM
The flush complicates things. Without the flush option, keep 7-7-6-2 and throw J-5 is best. I stayed with that option.
joekayak says: These hands are nice problems to have. good better best options
jmath714

Joined: January 2012 (1318 votes)

Tuesday 4:31 PM
My only slight, slight disagreement would be with how to peg this hand. I might peg a little more aggressively if can read my opponent in having a weak hand. If they show anything resembling 8 or more, I’m playing far away though.

Here’s hoping they held A-2-3-4.
Guest says: Slight/Slieght of hand, J! S:)
Ras2829

Joined: November 2008 (5496 votes)

Tuesday 4:46 PM
It pays to flush, especially so when the flush starts with a point more than any other hold.
If we can limit opponent to an average of 9 points (8 hand score + 1 peg) or less, our chances to win go up appreciably;. So it is def., def., SAFE, and play off the lead. note the safer peg numbers for the double run. If you were to choose offense, the double run does even better because of the potential offensive pegs as a plus. Choosing defense (as here) opponent potential pegs are deducted from combined values.
orvani

Joined: June 2011 (331 votes)

Tuesday 11:35 PM
Ok, the flushes are today's winners !!!
But I kept the double 15's combo to evade our opp from trapping us with a run race ror he has 13 pts. above us and can easilly enter the 4th street, and also I send a 15 to my crib with a big chance to improvr it. nice puzzle James.