May 22, 2019

*** This hand was suggested by Ras2829
14-11*  ?
53%
15%
12%
5%
4%
3%
1%
1%
0%
Total votes: 164
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:07 AM
Tossing the slightly safer 2-J rather than 3-J to dealer. This hand has 20 cuts for improvement to 8, 9, or 10 points (555,888, 333, 6666; 4444; 777).
If I had chosen to toss 3-J this hand has only 16 cuts for improvement to 8 or 10 points. (222 ,555, 777; 6666, 888)
dec
6359 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 3:07 AM
Their crib check. Cut potential check. Lead card check. Wide discard, Max on hand ten points. Eight lead although pondered three also. Defense. dec
mrob2199
1436 votes

Joined: February 2009

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:13 AM
Like the 3 lead from this hand-if dealer responds with a picture dump the 5-if dealer matches it you get the 31 with your 8-this should be a good hand to basically break par with the dealer-then you can attempt to create some margin on your next deal
james500
3924 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Wednesday 4:46 AM
Only the cut of a non-club Ace or 9 is unhelpful to me, (and voilà!), so I should be well beyond hole 17 as Dealer in the next hand.
With a 3,5 and 7 in my hand, there's a wee bit of negative delta to weaken 2-8 to my opponent.
3 lead.
zeke76 says: It's like the deck knows what you don't want to see.
zeke76
1397 votes

Joined: August 2018

 
 
 
Wednesday 5:10 AM
I must be learning, which is encouraging.
Gougie00
5731 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 5:28 AM
Anything but a 9! Ugh. Lead the 3 and try to muster a few pegs.
dgergens
938 votes

Joined: January 2018

 
 
 
Wednesday 6:12 AM
Normally it is good to be on the winning side, but on this site, I always wait to compare to Ras, Hal, & C de Lion, not the popular vote.
zeke76 says: No doubt. Not all votes are equal. Mine isn’t worth much. There are probably 4 tiers if you count non-commenters.
mfetchCT425
1400 votes

Joined: February 2009

 
 
 
Wednesday 6:25 AM
Like this hold slightly better than 2-5-7-8. Will lead the 3 and take pegs when I can.
Jazzselke
2587 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Wednesday 7:31 AM
Best chance for improvement, a 4 cut would not help 2578 but completes an often miscounted 9 point hand with 3578.
LoneStarPegger
811 votes

Joined: January 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 11:29 AM
Only the 9 missed this hand, but I very much appreciate the discussion about improving peg points.
bbaer1
3693 votes

Joined: February 2011

 
 
 
Wednesday 11:45 AM
It's early yet, no need to give away points. Plenty of board left. Going to lead a three from this hold, if they pair me I'll drop the two as often they'll have one also! My five will at least get me two points back.
bbaer1 says: Opps! Where did my two go? lol
Guest says: its in their crib! dec
horus93
1282 votes

Joined: December 2017

 
 
 
Wednesday 1:03 PM
Don't want to do anything crazy with these cards at this relative position (+6/-7).
Ras2829
5155 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 1:23 PM
Toss off the top and bottom of the hand. Though often mention giving up the Jack in small hands transfers an advantage to the opponent. The Jack is worth an average of .25 in the hand and adds .25 to the potential crib value, for a net difference of .5 In this case, the added potential hand score and the potential pegs more than makes up for the loss of the Jack. That's all academic here as the starter card is red. Good weather, planting warm weather crops today. The 2-J average to opponent is 4.613 (922) 3/91 and 3-J at 4.705 (1,004) 35/91. Besides that the 3 is in closer proximity to 5-7-8. And will choose def., def., def. More later
Ras2829 says: F or what it's worth! Think it interesting that HalscribCLX shows 2-8 to have the lower crib average at 4.36. Didn't even consider 2-8 as my empirical data shows 2-8 to weigh in at 4.904( 1,271) 44/91. Number in parentheses is times tossed to opponent in live play with results recorded. Have great confidence in discards that I've tossed more than 1,000 times. The higher average for 2-8 is the result of the frequent mid-card discards made by dealer. By far the most frequent of the 91 choices is the 7-8, followed quite closely by 6-7, and 7-7 all of which cause the 2-8 to score 6-7 points with no help from the starter card. The 2-8 scores 12 or more points more than twice the rate of either 2-J or 3-J. I'll report; you decide.
RubyTuesday
915 votes

Joined: January 2019

 
 
 
Wednesday 1:35 PM
I’ve managed to do the right thing today for a change!
joekayak
1873 votes

Joined: May 2016

 
 
 
Wednesday 2:20 PM
What ras and others said. Plus I like to keep 8-7 in my hand (if possible and prudent) when pone. Lead the 3.
Coeurdelion
5595 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Wednesday 5:17 PM
Perhaps six possibilities - 2-3-5-J (7-8), 2-5-8-J (3-7), 3-5-7-J (2-8), 2-5-7-8 (3-J), 3-5-7-8 (2-J) or 2-3-5-7 (8-J):

2-3-5-J: 4pts - 7½pts (Schell: 7.63) = -3½pts

2-5-8-J: 4pts - 5pts (Schell: 5.01) = -1pt

3-5-7-J: 4pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.85) = -1pt

2-5-7-8: 4pts - 4¾pts (Schell: 4.86) = -¾pt

3-5-7-8: 4pts - 4¾pts (Schell: 4.81) = -¾pt

2-3-5-7: 2pts - 4½pts (Schell: 4.59) = -2½pts

Potential:

2-3-5-J: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 777, 888 + 15xXs = 38 cuts = 38/46 = 82.6% up to7/8/pts with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555 + 15xXs = 32 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.

2-5-8-J: Improves with 222, 333, 555, 777, 888 + 15xXs = 30 cuts = 30/46 = 65.2% up to 8/10pts with 222, 555, 888, JJJ = 12 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.

3-5-7-J: Improves with 222, 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888 + 15xXs = 38 cuts = 38/46 = 82.6% up to 7/8/10pts with 333, 4444, 555, 6666, JJJ = 17 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for 1pt for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.

2-5-7-8: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 + 15xxs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 7/8/10pts with 222, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 = 20 cuts.

3-5-7-8: Improves with 222, 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 7/8/9/10pts with 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888, 9999 = 24 cuts.

2-3-5-7: Improves with AAAA, 222, 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888 + 15xXs = 42 cuts = 42/46 = 91.3% up to 5/6/8 with AAAA, 333, 4444, 555, 6666, 777, 888 + 15xXs = 39 cuts.

Position:

It looks like we were First Dealer and opponent has gained a little ground but we still have positional advantage so I'll still play Defense.

Pegging:

All the hands should peg reasonably well but I think playing Defense the hands which have a good spread will peg best.

Summary:

2-5-7-8 and 3-5-7-8 start with the lowest value at -¾pt 3-5-7-J is better than 2-5-8-J and 2-3-5-J has a very low starting value. 3-5-7-J starts with -1pt but it also has the benefit of the nob. So I think its between 3-5-7-J, 2-5-7-8, 3-5-7-8. I think it will be close but with the spread of the cards I think 3-5-7-J will peg better and has the benefit of the 1pt for his nob. So I'll throw 2-8.
HalscribCLX
5318 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Wednesday 5:19 PM
At 14-11* playing a Defense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

________________Dlr's
Defense___Hand__Pegs____Crib____Total_____W8 %____W9 %
3-5-7-J___6.72+(-2.83)+(-4.36)=(-0.47)____32.1____47.8
2-5-7-8___6.91+(-2.83)+(-4.70)=(-0.62)____32.9____48.3
3-5-7-8___7.00+(-3.00)+(-4.62)=(-0.62)____33.6____48.6
2-5-8-J___6.20+(-2.72)+(-4.39)=(-0.91)____30.0____45.9
2-3-5-7___5.96+(-2.70)+(-4.33)=(-1.07)____32.6____48.2
2-3-5-8___5.52+(-2.89)+(-4.37)=(-1.74)____31.0____46.3
2-5-7-J___4.67+(-2.78)+(-4.47)=(-2.58)____27.2____43.1
2-3-5-J___7.46+(-2.76)+(-7.32)=(-2.62)____35.5____45.7

Defense_______L8 %____L9 %
3-5-7-J_______25.2____26.8
2-5-7-8_______25.4____26.5
3-5-7-8_______26.2____26.6
2-5-8-J_______25.1____28.4
2-3-5-7_______25.3____26.6
2-3-5-8_______25.8____28.3
2-5-7-J_______25.2____30.8
2-3-5-J_______33.4____30.9

3-5-7-J is best for expected averages by 0.15pt and whilst 3-5-7-8 is slightly best for Win %s and both 3-5-7-J and 2-5-7-8 are approximately lowest for Loss %s I'll put most weight on the expected average and select 2-8 to discard.

After the 9 cut I'll lead the J and play Offense:

Lead___________Our Pegging Pts.
J___________________1.60
3___________________1.31
7___________________1.30
5___________________1.05