December 5, 2018

*** This hand was suggested by ras2829
43*-44  ?
Total votes: 165

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1119 votes

Joined: March 2016

Wednesday 3:07 AM
It was either tossing 6-8 or 2-8 to my crib.
The hand that I decided to retain is not as strong as 5-6-J-Q that has an additional 4 cuts (7777) that increase the value of the hand to a total of 25 cuts (7, 8, 9, 10 points).
The hand that I chose with the higher valued toss of 6-8 has 21 cuts for 8, 9, 10 points.
2044 votes

Joined: June 2013

Wednesday 3:12 AM
A four point hand with 6-8 to my crib, must surely have a higher combined value than a four point hand with either X-6 or 2-8 as discards?
Is 2-5-6-8 (J-Q) worth considering though?

5 lead for a 50:50 chance of 25/2.
4376 votes

Joined: April 2008

Wednesday 4:13 AM
Can someone give me a seven perhaps in the crib? Havn't had much luck with filling that 5-6 in my hand. dec
3800 votes

Joined: March 2008

Wednesday 5:09 AM
6-8? No flush to consider. Another Meh hand. I'd like to get to hole 60 so its offense if possible.
2919 votes

Joined: April 2011

Wednesday 6:01 AM
Keeping the 5-6 is the better pegger but I need some hope in the crib. Offense to the lead.
152 votes

Joined: August 2018

Wednesday 6:08 AM
I’m with everyone on the top two choices but went the other way. This probably means I’m wrong.
1123 votes

Joined: November 2014

Wednesday 6:16 AM
I agree with RoseMarie44. Briefly considered the 2-8 vs the 6-8 but since pone will rarely toss me a 5, putting cards that add to 10 in my crib (A-9, 2-8, 3-7, 4-6) are not always a good move (I believe I got this from Barlow's book). Yes, tossing the 6-8 requires an A or 7 from pone to work together, but better than a 5.
1162 votes

Joined: March 2009

Wednesday 6:59 AM
Agree with the majority, but my second choice might be JQ. Although giving up 2 points, it would be keeping good peggers, and JQ can be a good throw. Certainly a K more likely to be tossed than a 7 ( or 5 if 28 is our choice).
333 votes

Joined: December 2017

Wednesday 8:48 AM
Expected averages favor this keep so strongly that I wouldn't even really think about the pegging possibilities of other discards.

I'd play offense after the cut. The starting position is -1/+10 and though our deficit will probably grow this hand I'd still tilt towards playing on.
2486 votes

Joined: October 2008

Wednesday 9:32 AM
I suppose I am mostly in agreement with the two gentlemen above, especially Jazzselke.

Toss J-Q would be the alternative to 6-8 I believe, and it's nearly my first choice today. The crazy way those positional 'par' holes work, while we sit at -1/+10, we are just one or two holes shy of being "on target" where our opponent would then pethaps be minus sixteen!

If we can therefore "step up the pace" and exceed our average by a point or two, we can turn the remainder of this game into an "even" number of deals, which suits the Dealer (us) as long as we're can remain (or rather get back...) on track.

Even if we cannot exceed or reach our average here, the rest of this game could very well consist of us "chasing it down" lest we ultimately wrap this up with an "odd" number of deals, and thus find ourselves dealing at a score of something like Hole 114 where our Three Counts cannot do us much good: therefore, we need to make use of these NOW while they still *can* be of great use!
Andy (muesli64)
1453 votes

Joined: August 2009

Wednesday 9:34 AM
I'll go with the flow but I expect Ras has other ideas?
253 votes

Joined: January 2018

Wednesday 10:58 AM
Looks like I zigged when everyone zagged. Was not thrilled with putting 8,2 in my crib, but wanted to keep the 5,6 together for the cut and magic 11.
3747 votes

Joined: October 2007

Wednesday 12:48 PM
I think its between 2-8 keeping the close 5-6 or throwing the gapper 6-8:

5-6-J-Q: 4pts + 3˝pts (Schell: 3.66) = 7˝pts

2-5-J-Q: 4pts + 4˝pts (Schell: 4.63) = 8˝pts


5-6-J-Q: Improves with 4444. 555, 666, 7777, 9999 + 14xXs = 32 cuts = 32/46 = 69.6% up to 7/8/9/10pts with 4444, 555, 7777 + 14xXs = 25 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for 1pt extra for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.

2-5-J-Q: Improves with 222, 3333, 555, 8888 + 14xXs = 28 cuts = 28/46 = 60.9% up to 8/9/10pts with 3333, 555 + 14xXs = 21 cuts. Plus 11 clubs for 1pt extra for his nob = 11/46 = 0.24pt.


5-6-J-Q has a magic eleven and 2-5-J-Q a low card. I think 5-6-J-Q will peg slightly better.


We're only 1pt short of positional hole but Pone is already there I'll play Offense to improve our position.


2-5-J-Q starts with 1pt more and although 5-6-J-Q has more cuts for improvement and more for 7-10pts I don't think it that much better to catch up the 1pt. So I'll throw 6-8.
3515 votes

Joined: February 2008

Wednesday 1:14 PM
At 43*-44 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

Offense___Hand_Pegs_Crib_Total____W6 %____W7 %

Offense_______L6 %____L7 %

2-5-J-Q is 0.16pt better than 2-5-6-8 and 0.34pt better than 5-6-J-Q. It is also best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s.

After the 6 cut I'll play Offense to the lead.
630 votes

Joined: June 2016

Wednesday 1:21 PM
I'll play offense with this hand. If the position was at the bottom of 3rd street or the top of 4th, a defensive strategy would have been deployed and toss the J-Q. I briefly considered tossing the 8-2 but I felt that discard really would not help my crib that much.
3286 votes

Joined: November 2008

Wednesday 4:57 PM
Submitted this puzzle as thought there might be discussion as to which player has the positional advantage. The posting just above and the replies suggest that to be the case. With the deal in2nd street CPZ 43-47, RAS has a slight positional advantage and opponent will deal well beyond that CPZ 43-47. No need for dealer here to consider defense. It's off., off., off., and play on the lead. Nothing more to this submission. No trickery as some may have suspected. The 6-8 is the better discard since cards of 10 value (A-9, 2-8, 3-7, 4-6 are often low-scoring.