February 12, 2018

*** This hand was suggested by james500
92-97*  ?
51%
39%
3%
1%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0%
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Total votes: 151
JQT
4143 votes

Joined: October 2008

 
 
 
Monday 3:08 AM
Our Opponent is Ahead and Dealing from One Hole beyond the Fourth Street 'par' Hole 96, so this requires real precision on our part in order to have any real chances of prevailing in this game.

In the midst of a long and arduous tournament, a 'realist' here might decide that this game is possibly already a 'lost cause' and therefore Keep (A 4 T K) and Toss (2 8) may be indicated simply in order to reduce the 'Spread Points' by which we lose. But since we generally prefer to *fight to the bitter end* we'll perform the perhaps perfunctory analysis anyway.

While Keep (A 4 T K) and Toss (2 8) might produce the 'Highest Hand Average' for us as Pone, and while and Toss (8 K) has a lower possible 'Maximum Crib Value' of only 14 Points, as opposed to Toss (T K), which (on its worst day) can actually produce a 'Maximum Crib Value' of 20 Points, I believe that the "Hybrid Solution" of Keep (A 2 4 8) and Toss (T K) gives us the *best overall chances* of Victory today, as it strikes the ideal compromise between what is held and what is given away.

As RAS mentioned yesterday, only two discards: Toss (9 K) and Toss (T K), yield a Crib Average for our Opponent that is below 4 Points. So while Toss (T K) is Number One out of Ninety-One in terms of relative safety, Toss (2 8) is *way down the list* at about Number Forty-Three out of Ninety-One, producing a Crib Value that happens to average more than a full point greater than that produced by Toss (T K)!

Therefore, we have a confluence of compelling conditions convincing us that Keep (A 2 4 8) and Toss (T K) is clearly the way to continue here today. Leading our 4 Card seems axiomatic.
dgergens says: ot sure where you get average crib values based on 2 card discards. Have you actually committed some kind of table to memory to facilitate your decisions while playing?
dgergens says: Not
Inushtuk1 says: Yes he has committed some kind of table to memory. I know he often quotes Schell’s discard tables. Annoyingly enough he’s probably committed Ras’s, Colvert’s, and Hessel’s to memory as well. Go to Cribbage Forum. On the left click on discarding for more details.
joekayak says: Without using the impressive multisyllabic alliteration and vocabulary of JQT, it's POSITION POSITION and POSITION> Cannot get out from here except in extraordinary circumstances. This hand is not it., must give myself best chance to sour dealers crib. Go to the charts...away with K-T it is.
Rosemarie44
2052 votes

Joined: March 2016

 
 
 
Monday 3:12 AM
Keeping the hand with a three card eleven and tossing the low scoring 10-K to dealer, Hand increases with every cut with a potential for 8 points.
dec
6358 votes

Joined: April 2008

 
 
 
Monday 3:26 AM
K-10 not as effctive as K-9 but at these positions try not to cut a five. Fours the lead and hope they are outside the 110 bar after. dec
Andy (muesli64)
2223 votes

Joined: August 2009

 
 
 
Monday 4:28 AM
JQT seems spot on today.
james500
3923 votes

Joined: June 2013

 
 
 
Monday 4:40 AM
I'm in agreement with those who have spoken before me, and with the vast majority of voters. Clearly K-8 and 2-8 weren't as tempting as I thought they might be.

* As an aside, I seem to think that I've recently submitted this self same puzzle unaware it was already "in the hopper". I think it's due to be featured in early February of next year, if a mod fancies deleting it.
JQT says: It does seem like an almost-equivalent challenge, and the FLUSH doesn't appear to add any more difficulty; therefore, the near-duplicate puzzle slated for: 2019-02-03 (63-68*) (Ad 2c 4d 8c Tc Kc) posted by 'james500' has been gently euthanized according to your wishes.
james500 says: Thanks John. I appreciate the work that you and the other moderators do, to keep the puzzles on here relevant.
dgergens
938 votes

Joined: January 2018

 
 
 
Monday 5:09 AM
Well good morning. Well, I chose the "correct" hand because I felt I could do better in battle with that variety of cards, well enough to recoup the 2 points given up. Nothing like the mental exercise JQT went through.
glmccuskey
4101 votes

Joined: April 2011

 
 
 
Monday 5:21 AM
Defense. Every cut adds value. I’ll lead the four and take the fifteen if offered.
Ras2829
5154 votes

Joined: November 2008

 
 
 
Monday 5:42 AM
JQT hit all the salient points. Will lead the 4 spot. With opponent dealing from 97, got to play SAFE in pegging responses. If dealer plays on my four lead or close to it, will escape with the 8 spot.
Guest says: I finally feel like I am looking at hands more closely, thanks to you and everyone on here. Getting inside of your heads has helped me a lot. Thanks, and looking forward to thanking you in person in Reno. S:)
Ras2829 says: Thanks much "S". Your identity causes me to lisp. In hands such as this (wide range and variety of cards) with 4 points, you will actually improve your relative position if you can find 10-K, 9-K, 9-Q, or 6-K. The two point hand will result in greater combined value (pegs, hand score, minus the crib score) than holding four whether playing offense or defense.
Ras2829 says: BTW noted that I had too many puzzles stacked up in March. Have deleted five of them as a moderator; so if you have a puzzle you'd like to view in a few weeks instead of one year, submit and these open dates will automatically be filled by the first to submit. Glad to oblige as a broader base of users willing to submit puzzles is a very healthy sign.
Gougie00
5730 votes

Joined: March 2008

 
 
 
Monday 6:02 AM
I prefer it this way. I kept the 10 for an escape card. Lead the 4.
Jazzselke
2586 votes

Joined: March 2009

 
 
 
Monday 6:43 AM
A347 and A248 my favorite 2 point hands; can turn into 8 and good peggers.
Guest says: Ta-da...I actually am figuring out position more with your prompting. Before, I would have held the 4-1 with faces. If you're going to GB this weekend, I want to see your name on Challonge! S :)
Jazzselke says: Thanks, will do my best.
Inushtuk1 says: Bonne chance Dan.
horus93
1281 votes

Joined: December 2017

 
 
 
Monday 8:57 AM
I would lead the 2 rather than the four to avoid any kind of run or trap late in the first play series. 4 makes a decent out if the score hits 24-27. It also works with the A-8 to hit 31 if dealer has a bunch of X cards.
Inushtuk1 says: You are quite right horus93. Rosemarie pointed out the “3 card Magic Eleven. But everyone is ignoring it by leading their 4.
Inushtuk1 says: You are quite right horus93. Rosemarie pointed out the “3 card Magic Eleven. But everyone is ignoring it by leading their 4.
Ras2829 says: Hi horus93: Great job & note the company you have with HalscribCLX. Can't be too far off when you have the cribbot in your corner.
Ras2829 says: Hi horus93: Great job & note the company you have with HalscribCLX. Can't be too far off when you have the cribbot in your corner.
JRCeagle78
1054 votes

Joined: June 2016

 
 
 
Monday 9:23 AM
I briefly looked at K-8 discard, but quickly came to my senses. The dealer is already in a better position so I won't help him along any more than I have to.
Coeurdelion
5594 votes

Joined: October 2007

 
 
 
Monday 11:50 AM
It seems to be a straight choice between A-4-10-K (2-8) and A-2-4-8 (10-K):

A-4-10-K: 4pts - 5pts (Schell: 4.94) = -1pt

A-2-4-8: 2pts - 4pts (Schell: 3.88) = -2pts

Potential:

A-4-10-K: Improves with AAA, 444, 5555 + 14xXs = 24 cuts = 24/46 = 52.2% up to 8/10 with AAA, 444, 5555, 101010, KKK = 16 cuts.

A-2-4-8: Improves with AAA, 222, 3333, 444, 5555, 6666, 7777, 888, 9999 + 14xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 6/8pts with AAA, 222, 3333, 444, 888 = 16 cuts.

Pegging:

With 3 low cards and a middle card and a 3-card magic eleven I think A-2-4-8 will peg better even playing Defense.

Position:

Dealer is in the 4th street CPZ but if we can keep them short in the box and short on pegs we might be in with a good chance. We should also reach or exceed the 4th street positional hole but must slow Dealer down as much as possible.

Summary:

A-2-4-8 has most cuts for improvement and 16 for an average 6-8pts. It starts with 1pt less but should make this up. More importantly the 10-K ought help keep the box low and keep Dealer's pegging to a minimum. So I'll throw the 10-K.
HalscribCLX
5317 votes

Joined: February 2008

 
 
 
Monday 12:18 PM
At 92-97* playing a Safe strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:

_________________Dlr's
Defense___Hand___Pegs___Crib____Total___W2 %____W3 %
A-2-4-8___4.87+(-2.52)+(-4.03)=(-1.68)__15.3____31.9
A-4-10-K__6.00+(-2.96)+(-4.82)=(-1.78)__16.3____29.8

Defense_______L2 %____L3 %
A-2-4-8_______50.0____61.2
A-4-10-K______52.5____63.3

A-2-4-8 is only 0.10pt better for expected averages and only slightly better for Win %s. However it is significantly lower for Loss %s because of the safer 10-K. Both these %s take into account the critical board position so I'll select 10-K to discard.

After the 10 cut I'll lead the 2 and play Defense:

Lead__________Dealer's Pegging Pts.
2___________________(-1.95)
A___________________(-2.04)
4___________________(-2.06)
8___________________(-2.60)
Ras2829 says: This cribbot is amazing, always correct, and often questioned. Choosing defense as a pegging strategy, makes perfect sense to lead the deuce which puts some distance between the remaining small cards of A-4. Maybe next time I will think of it instead of leading the near-automatic four spot. I playing offense, the 8 would be the correct lead holding A-2-4 intact.
Inushtuk1 says: Yes, I wish I had thought of that.