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Total votes: 241 |
Inushtuk1 | On Jan30th of this year I did a play out of that day's puzzle. Two deals later, this was the situation. |
dec 6358 votes Joined: April 2008 |
    Thursday 3:28 AM
I like the options when keeping a flush... not today I like the possibilities of fourteen points and possible end cards fill in the crib. dec |
sharp21 179 votes Joined: January 2010 |
    Thursday 3:49 AM
I struggle with playing flushes well.
In this case, keeping the A-2-2-3 means 2 extra points to start, and a ten draw will yield 12pts. And if I get REALLY lucky and hit an A or 3 I'm up to 16pts. Easy decision. fentesk says: You may want to reconsider points you have in hand after the cut, but I agree with your overall assessment. HfxKen says: You may have missed ace-2-2 with a ten card cut
Eolus619 says: Yes to HfxKen..four card 15s...there are 25 of them..challenging to see...be alert..14 of them contain an Ace..make your list bbaer1 says: Easily the most common missed points in cribbage. |
zeke76 1396 votes Joined: August 2018 |
    Thursday 3:55 AM
Lots of ways to flush and hold solid hand, but the double run still seems better, keeps the 223 together and 67 to the crib, while not wondrous isn’t exactly a kick in the teeth either. |
HfxKen 886 votes Joined: February 2020 |
    Thursday 4:34 AM
Could be a 14 to 16 point cut. Suited connectors in the crib. I think current board position calls for this toss. |
fentesk 1203 votes Joined: January 2021 |
    Thursday 4:35 AM
I'll skip the flushes for the powerful double run full of 5 combinations today, and don't hate 6-7 to my crib. I think I would make the same discard choice as pone, unless in a really defensive situation where I'd send 2-6. |
mfetchCT425 1399 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Thursday 4:45 AM
Double run too powerful to break up today. I don’t see any of the flush options matching it. |
james500 3923 votes Joined: June 2013 |
    Thursday 4:51 AM
I don't need my arm putting behind my back to choose 6-7. A nice double run to boot, with 16 X cards, four nines and eight more A/2/3 still available to be cut.
22,5555,666,777,8888,9999 = 20 immediate crib helping cards still in circulation. 100(20/46) = 43.5% of the remaining deck, three of which will become part of the crib. Ignoring suits, 91 different discards possible in cribbage. 29, (aptly), guarantee points: 13 pairs, the 12 remaining 5-?, 6-9, 7-8, 2-3 and A-4. Intuitively, these should be the 29 most valuable in terms of average crib value, but they're not. 6-7 is about 27th on the list, which isn't that high, but higher than some people might expect. Next on the list is 3-4, with TT, QQ and KK lower still. JJ is just above 6-7, but 0.5 of its value is from matching the suit of the cut card rather than crib synergy. Eolus619 says: Nice info James500..showing your inner JQT!!! james500 says: Hi Bruce, hope all's well. Very big shoes to fill, certainly far too big for me to do. Hopefully he'll soon return from his current hiatus. But yes, it was indeed John who first alerted me to the possible unappreciation of 6-7 with this chart https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvdUP2PauX0OXZ51eDVj49c5wP53CvtgChyyf1LKvoFXn_yD0jqhL14DPT6H8u54ZGS3C9mUJRNIdsB4BXN-seb83QfZ2R9wTuxiuWnbOkA5gZ-FQmWw9mVybMPBFkV1AMkyUNHtbfCMGM/s1600/image02.png which comes from the CribbagePro blog here: https://blog.cribbagepro.net/2012/10/discarding.html?m=1 james500 says: Apologies, the chart is: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFE2XXux_CyP2PvgxLKj3VCEUNwpvo5L-xr_gJxKwhZ2uMqwgWpWsbxTDB1wiAAulFukeUxBg7q4_ysdIDjSk13zZTL2WQzcyP9DdxV61YTBpLoHtc-eJxN9hRbq-x3Sgncjex73nFSJDw/s1600/image00.png |
mrob2199 1435 votes Joined: February 2009 |
    Thursday 5:19 AM
This should be close to 90 percent today-if we cut a little card or picture we have a 14,15 or 16 point hand-if we cut a middle we have great crib potential |
ZulwarnGames 131 votes Joined: November 2022 |
    Thursday 5:26 AM
I know it pays to flush, but I don’t see a benefit to breaking up this double run. The only other toss I like is the off-suited 2-3. That would still give me 8 (assuming the 2-3 is two in the crib), BUT breaking up a double run isn’t done lightly. And this keeps more five combos together in case a X is cut. |
Ras2829 5154 votes Joined: November 2008 |
    Thursday 5:34 AM
At hole 60, choosing offense to include the pegging, the double run has the edge. If the flush had reached 9 points instead of 8 as with the doble run, it would have paid to flush. In giving up a full point in hand score to hold the flush, the math just does not support. Will exercise some caution with the pegging since n/d is already at hole 67. Will play off the lead although would pair a deuce, drop the trey if Ace is led, and drop a deuce if four is led. A small card lead is most problematic. Should be able to avoid major pegs on leads of 5 though King. MiketheExpert says: Hi Ras. For me, the 2nd choice would probably be (2 3) unsuited, and this leaves you with only a 6-pt flush hand, with 2 different run possibilities and no improvement on an X-card cut barring one of the same suit. The strength of crib toss might overcome that of throwing (2 6) or (2 7) into my own crib. Clearly, this doesn't match starting with an 8-pt double-run and quite a strong throw (6 7), so there just doesn't seem to be another good or close option to the double-run here. Inushtuk1 says: Hi Ras. Thanks for answering my late questions recently. In the actual game n/d led a 3. The play of the hand went thus: 3(3)-3(6-2)-5(11)-2(13)-2(15-4)-2(17-6)J(27)A(28-1). He pegged 4. I scored 9. |
MiketheExpert 1122 votes Joined: April 2021 |
    Thursday 5:44 AM
No double-run hypnosis today, but considering we need to earn the most points possible, it would have to be the best keep this morning. (6 7) is no slouch in the crib either. |
wasa 3018 votes Joined: November 2014 |
    Thursday 6:21 AM
It pays to flush! But not today. scottcrib says: 😮 |
Inushtuk1 1487 votes Joined: July 2016 |
    Thursday 7:31 AM
Not my best submission clearly. But I thought there might be more interest in the A-2-6-7 flush with (2-3) unsuited in the Crib, given the amount of times we talk about the (2-3) is usually the right toss. HfxKen says: Maybe with a different board position Annabella says: Inushtuk1, I thought the same as you, that there may be more waffling about the flush and a 2,3 to crib, but as Wasa stated: didn’t “pay” today. ZulwarnGames says: Not every hand has to be a brain buster. I appreciated this one and the discussion people have had. After days of awful hands, choosing between two good options is a luxury! Lol Inushtuk1 says: thanks ZulwarnGames. Annabella says: Inushtuk, This was a helpful and interesting hand. I learned something. Discussions were made and reasonings validated. Ras’s peg stagey and card play sequence, etc. Thank you |
Gougie00 5730 votes Joined: March 2008 |
    Thursday 7:46 AM
No brain-strain today. |
Coeurdelion 5595 votes Joined: October 2007 |
    Thursday 11:52 AM
I think its between A-2-2-3 (6-7), A-2S-3-7 (2D-6), A-2S-3-6 (2D-7) and A-2S-6-7 (2D-3):
A-2-2-3: 8pts + 5pts (Schell: 4.98) = 13pts A-2S-3-7: 7pts + 4pts (Schell: 3.93) = 11pts A-2S-3-6: 7pts + 4pts (Schell: 3.81) = 11pts A-2S-6-7: 6pts + 6¾pts (Schell: 7.00) = 12¾pts Potential: A-2-2-3: Improves with AAA, 22, 333, 4444, 777, 8888, 9999 + 16xXs = 39 cuts = 39/46 = 84.8% up to 12/14/15/16pts with AAA, 22, 333, 9999 + 16xXs = 28 cuts. A-2S-3-7: Improves with AAA, 22, 333, 4444, 5555, 666, 777, 8888, 9999 + 16xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 10/11/12/14pts with AAA, 22, 333, 4444, 5555, 777 = 19 cuts. Plus 8 spade cuts for 1pt extra for the flush = 8/46 = 0.17pt. A-2S-3-6: Improves with AAA, 22, 333, 4444, 5555, 666, 777, 8888, 9999 + 16xXs = 46 cuts = 46/46 = 100.0% up to 10/11/12/13/14pts with AAA, 22, 333, 4444, 666, 9999 = 19 cuts. Plus 8 spade cuts for 1pt extra for the flush = 8/46 = 0.17pt. A-2S-6-7: Improves with AAA, 22, 333, 5555, 666, 777, 8888, 9999 = 26 cuts = 26/46 = 56.5% up to 9/10/12/13pts with AAA, 22, 333, 5555, 666, 777, 8888 = 22 cuts. Plus 8 spade cuts for 1pt extra for the flush = 8/46 = 0.17pt. Position: Pone only needs 3pts to reach 3rd street positional hole while our target is 86pts, 26pts away so I think we must play Offense. With this deal we have the potential for a good hand and box. Pegging: The flushes will probably peg best with two of them having 3-card magic elevens. Summary: A-2-2-3 has the best starting value by ¼pt over A-2S-6-7 and although it does not have guaranteed improvement it has a high number of cuts for improvement and 28 cuts for 12-16pts with the best maximum. The suited 6-7 could also be useful in the crib so I'll throw this. |
HalscribCLX 5318 votes Joined: February 2008 |
    Thursday 11:52 AM
At 60*-67 playing an Offense strategy for the pegging the dynamic expected averages and Win/Loss %s are:
_________________Our Offense____Hand__Pegs_Crib_Total____W4 %____W5 % A-2-2-3_____12.26+3.59+4.70=20.55____26.4____24.8 A-2S-6-7_____8.80+3.33+6.58=18.71____19.4____18.8 A-2S-3-7____10.30+3.59+3.50=17.39____15.1____16.2 A-2S-3-6____10.35+3.52+3.51=17.38____15.1____15.9 Offense________L4 %____L5 % A-2-2-3_________38.4____57.8 A-2S-6-7________39.9____64.1 A-2S-3-7________39.7____66.9 A-2S-3-6________40.4____67.4 A-2-2-3 is best for expected averages by 1.84pts. and is considerably best for Win %s and lowest for Loss %s so I'll select 6-7 to discard. After the K cut I'll play Offense to the lead. |
kal79 14 votes Joined: April 2024 |
    Thursday 12:03 PM
I always love to play a good flush, but keeping a double run with fifteen potential AND tossing 6-7 to my crib is far too enticing to warrant the flush. Plus, we benefit from any cut here, whether it be the hand or the crib. Looks like a lot of you agree. |